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| Len Member Joined Nov 7, 2007 255 posts Location: Kelowna, BC |
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Posted Dec 30, 2009; 4:55 pm |
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This excerpt may hit more at the issue, then.. from Hauerwas and Willimon,, "Resident Aliens"
John Howard Yoder in “A People in the World: Theological Interpretation.” Yoder -- the Mennonite scholar -- distinguishes between the activist church, the conversionist church, and the confessing church.
The activist church is more concerned with the building of a better society than with the reformation of the church. Through the humanization of social structures, the activist church glorifies God…
The conversionist church argues that no amount of tinkering with the structures of society will counter the effects of human sin… the sphere of political action is shifted from without to within, from society to the human soul..
The confessing church is not a synthesis of the two approaches, but a radical alternative.
“Rejecting both the individualism of the conversionists and the secularism of the activists and their common equation of what works with what is faithful, the confessing church finds it main political task to lie, not in the personal transformation of individual hearts or the modification of society, but rather in the congregation’s determination to worship Christ in all things.. We might be tempted to say that faithfulness rather than effectiveness is the goal of a confessing church. Yet we believe this is a false [dichotomy].. (45)
“The confessing church, like the conversionist church, also calls people to conversion, but it depicts that conversion as a long process of being baptismally engrafted into a new people, an alternative polis, a countercultural social structure called church. It seeks to influence the world by being the church, that is, by being something the world is not and can never be.. The confessing church seeks the visible church, a place, clearly visible to the world, in which people are faithful to their promises, love their enemies, tell the truth, honor the poor, suffer for righteousness, and thereby testify to the amazing community-creating power of God… |
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| Sudsy Member Joined Sep 23, 2003 2833 posts |
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Posted Dec 30, 2009; 6:50 pm |
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| I think this was already posted under the Resident Aliens thread where I replied to it. Yes/no ? |
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| Len Member Joined Nov 7, 2007 255 posts Location: Kelowna, BC |
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Posted Jan 1, 2010; 5:10 pm |
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| yes, posted here bec not everyone reading this thread will also read the other :) |
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